Can't pass praxis

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  1. classclown

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    Hello,

    My girlfriend is having a tough time passing the praxis exams. She passed Reading and Writing (barely) but failed Math. Apparently you can use a compound score of all 3 if you meet the minimums, but that means you have to have done above average on the other areas. In short, she needs like 1 or 2 pts higher on any of the 3 tests to get certified.

    She has taken Math probably 3 or 4 times, and just finished her 2nd Writing where she received the same exact grade as before, even after months of preparation. I have spent numerous nights tutoring her on Math and Writing to help improve the scores. She even bought books that I recommended to her and signed up and completed the Exam Cram gimmicks you find on the internet.

    Is this praxis system a scam? They just keep collecting testing fees and failing her. I know the Writing test is subjective, so I wonder if they kept her at the same score on purpose so she has to take it over again. Would be be better off taking the multiple choice tests so there is no wiggle room for subjective scoring (i.e. essays).

    Is there any way she can appeal the score, maybe they made a mistake or graded it unfairly. I'm just not sure what to do to help her at this point. She has a bachelor's in Psychology and a Masters in education, but is still unqualified to teach without the certification.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. INteacher

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    No, the Praxis is not a scam. I am not sure what state you are in but in most Indiana universities you can't even get into the education program until you have passed the basic (I don't know the #) math, reading and writing Praxis. I guess I don't understand how she was able to obtain a Masters in Ed without passing the praxis first.
     
  4. classclown

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    We are in PA

    They just started having that requirement as far as I know, so when she got into the program they were not enforcing that.
     
  5. classclown

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    We've tried all the resources available, like the test prep books etc... what else can we try?
     
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    Official score reports for exams like these sometimes include performance diagnostics or performance indicators that give some idea where the problems are. I understand that Praxis score reports are all now provided electronically rather than by US mail. Do you still have access to her official score reports? If so, please look for the performance indicators (they may be called something else, but they'll break down the performance by domains within each section of the test) and let's talk about them.
     
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    Does your state have an ACT minimum? My daughter does not have to take those parts of the Praxis because she had a 27 on her ACT. In Louisiana anyone with a 21 or higher does not have to take them.
     
  8. Southern JC

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    Did she take the paper-based test or the computerized version?
     
  9. teach42

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    I thought PA changed its scoring system so that they take into account your GPA. So if you have a higher GPA, you don't have to score so high on the Praxis. You might want to look into that. Anyhow, no offense to you or your gf but the Praxis I exams are really basic stuff and that applies to the math part too. It's math that you should've learned before high school.
     
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    and in most cases, well before HS.
     
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    Did she student teach? I know at the school where I completed my MAT (I did my teacher training in PA) required students to have passed all 3 Praxis I series before they could student teacher. My undergrad college (didn't take ed. courses there) also had the same requirements. I'm surprised she was able to complete her degree requirements without having passed all three Praxis exams.

    I briefly looked over middle school math concepts (up to Algebra I) just to make sure I remembered formulas and how to solve problems. It might help your girlfriend to do that or study a Praxis I Math review book.

    Good luck to her!!!!
     
  12. mathteacher1234

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    What State is your girlfriend in or What State is she trying to get certified in?

    I am going back to take the Reading and Math portions in September. I need two points for the reading portion and 5 points for the math, I'm an aspiring math teacher. I need a composite of 527, I currently have 523, in order to enroll in a MAT (Master of Arts in Teaching Program) at a nearby college.

    All I'm doing is:

    1. Staying calm. Tell your girlfriend not to keep thinking about this test.

    2. Review the score report very closely, because it reveals specific areas that she can review. IF it is geometry and data analysis/probability. Review those specific areas. IF it is inference (infering what the author said in a passage) review that area.

    3. Stay calm, she will pass this time.

    I remember, I did little to review for the PRAXIS 1, I know now that I need to review in specific areas to boost my score.

    Hope this helps. God bless. :)
     
  13. Tonya0503

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    Hi there,
    I live in New Jersey and I am actually pursuing a Master's Degree, and I did ALL of my classwork, and then taking the Praxis. Some states are different and require different things, such as the Praxis comes after being in a program. I guess the trade off is you cannot student teach unless you pass the Praxis. To the original poster, the Praxis is hard as hell, and sometimes I do think it's a scam to get money from people, but I guess it will ALL be worth it in the end.
     
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    I agree. After obtaining a Bachelor's or Master's degree, that should be proof enough that they have surpassed the basics. We're tested as we enter, we're tested in every class, we're tested when we exit.

    Sometimes in our educational pursuit we get so far past the basics that we lose sight of them, and the need to review is in order. This is especially true with math, but to be tested at the tune of $200 an exam is over-kill! And there's no reciprocity between states as it pertains to the basic skills test. If the California basic skills test was passed, it SHOULD BE accepted in Michigan, without having to pay ALL OVER AGAIN.

    I went all the way up to advanced algebra in college, but when I took the "basic skills" test, I flunked it (the first time) because it had been YEARS since I operated in basic math functions aside from adding, subtraction, multiplying, and dividing. We don't use many other math functions in every day life.

    So, I agree, it's just another way to cipher money from us, after we've already paid THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars to advance through the college system. If we have already made it through graduate school, they don't need to test us in basic skills. It is a scam, and I resent it.
     
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    She has my sympathies. She must be frustrated beyond belief. She's not alone as I've heard similar stories many times. You could add the test prep for the middle school math Praxis 5169 to the list of resources for practice. The library (and thrift stores) should have textbooks and they're really helpful as long as they are intro/middle/high ones vs college level math.
     
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    Not to be contrarian, but I find it fascinating that people say that you shouldn't have to be able to pass basic skills tests to teach those skills to children. I completely disagree.

    I do think the fees are excessive. Here in PA they charge $200 to add a certification area after passing the tests, separate from the cost to take the tests, and you can only add 2 areas for the one $200 fee. They don't even send you a paper certificate, it's just added into your record and you can print one out if you need to. That, I think, is something of a scam.

    But requiring that you can pass the content tests? Totally valid, in my opinion.
     
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    Yes, Phillyteacher, I'm okay with the content examination.
    It is the BASIC SKILLS TESTING that I'm at odds with. I suppose that the public school systems across America are having the same problems with teachers that they're having with students, and that is, after going through four years of college AND a graduate level credential program, they still can't add 2 + 2 correctly.

    This is why the high school exit examinations took-off a few years ago. So, I get that. And I also realize, from personal experience, that we do sometimes need to BRUSH-UP on skills learned long ago and rarely used. But, after 5, 6, 7, 10 years of college, doing graduate level work, we should NOT have to prove ourselves with the basic skills anymore. Maybe I'm wrong for seeing it this way, but I find it offensive.
     
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    I think the proof that it's unfortunately still necessary is that people who otherwise think they are ready to teach can't pass them... I mean I guess I could get behind a situation in which you just have to pass content area tests and a pedagogy test, given that I doubt you could pass the content area tests without also having the basic skills. For example, I teach middle school math. I'd be ok with people not having to take the math basic skills since they'd still have to take and pass the (more difficult) middle years math Praxis.

    I think this is a bit of a tangent, though, as I don't think it would help the original poster...
     
  19. David DiCaprio

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    Praxis is very difficult but you have to do it. I had to take one test three times because I had a hard time. Keep your head up and try to think differently. Once I realized there were not any trick questions and to CLOSELY read the question then I passed with flying colors. Keep your head up! I successfully taught for four years and now am seeking administrative jobs. It is just a minor set back, keep trying and good luck.

    _David
     
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    If you shouldn't have to prove basic skills because your education "proves" it, why do so many fail to pass it with flying colors?
     
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    The original poster hasn't been on this forum since 2011, so I think it's okay to go on a tangent. :whistle:

    Because education standards are decided on a state-by-state basis (including Common Core implementation), that means that a PLT score in Ohio might not be good enough for another state, while a third state may not require that test at all. There is reciprocation of certification to a point, but only to a point.
     

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