How often are you pulled to sub?

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  1. tiffbabey

    tiffbabey Rookie

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    Hello,

    This is my fifth year being a special education teacher. In previous years I have always been pulled to sub at least a few times a year, but this year we have lack of subs and I have been pulled already for 6 full days and 3 afternoons. This is on track to be an outrageous number of times, and I'm not happy about it. I want to complain but wanted to ask the question of other teachers in other districts if this is common?

    Thanks!
     
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  3. justwanttoteach

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    We are always looking for subs. I get an email at least 2xs a day asking for class coverage
     
  4. waterfall

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    Thankfully, almost never. We're the last to get pulled since the IEP hours are required and other interventionist hours aren't (ELL, title 1, etc.). The poor ELL and title teachers are constantly pulled! They would combine classes before pulling me from my regular groups. The only times I've had to sub is in situations where I wouldn't be seeing kids anyway (once on Junior Achievement Day, and a couple of times on staffing days to cover a meeting that the other SPED teacher was in). However, my para is pulled constantly to cover recess/lunch duty for absent paras, and she's covering IEP hours for me on her own (she's pulling separate groups rather than just "helping" with my groups, so if she's pulled those kids don't get seen). We now have a very robust counseling department, but when I first started at this school we only had one school psych and my school has many, many severe behavior issues. Back then I was often pulled from my groups to deal with severe behaviors/emergencies, even sometimes for kids not on my caseload. That was frustrating because no one but me seemed to care that I wasn't meeting the hours legally required by the IEP. I also miss a lot for trainings/meetings (RtI, etc.) and I'm supposed to get a sub so IEP hours are still met, but 80% of the time my sub gets pulled to cover a gen ed class.

    Technically, the hours are required and they legally shouldn't be pulling you to sub. However, in my area I've noticed that the state simply doesn't check up on or seem to care if services are actually being provided- they only audit paperwork. I work in a low SES district and our parents simply have more serious things to worry about or aren't knowledgeable enough to complain about their child not getting services. In years past when I've missed a lot I've documented everything and complaining only got me accused of "not being a team player" or not caring about the high needs student that was taking away time from others. If you aren't already definitely document when time is missed, and I would bring it up in an email to document that you at least tried to remedy the situation to CYA. If a parent did wise up and complain, you want documentation that you tried to follow the IEP. If I were you I would email your Principal and sped director and ask what to do about missed IEP hours when you are pulled to sub. State how many times you have been pulled already and politely say that you are concerned about missed service time since students are legally required to get their services. Even if nothing changes, at least then you have documentation that you tried.
     
  5. Secondary Teach

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    I do believe there are x number of days one is required to work per week as a substitute, but after such requirement is met one is able to take the remaining days of the week off. Usually if one subs at least two or three full days per week, one is able to take the remaining days of the week off. Just because you are contacted with opportunities doesn't mean you must accept them. You may wish to request that your thread gets moved to the "substitute teachers" section of the forum, as to get more replies/opinions.

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  6. tiffbabey

    tiffbabey Rookie

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    I am not a substitute teacher! I am a special education teacher who gets pulled from my job to sub for general ed teachers. I was asking if this is a common thing in other schools.
     
  7. czacza

    czacza Multitudinous

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    DOES NOT happen in my school
     
  8. MrsC

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    Our Special Ed teachers are the last to get pulled and they are only pulled during periods when they provide in-class support, not during periods when they pull students. The teacher-librarian and ELL are the first who are called upon when we are short subs. We typically have enough subs, but there always seem to be a few weeks (this past one was an example) when there aren't enough subs to go around; we were short at least one sub every day this past week.
     
  9. Mr Magoo

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    I am a Sub and I don't think it's a lack of Subs at all.

    They are saying there are no Subs , so they can save money by having Teachers work conference/free periods by covering other classes.

    So, that they can save money.

    Example: My first year of subbing there were about 50 Subs on Fridays.

    This last Friday only 1 job came up on Aseop and it was one of those jobs that Subs don't want.

    So, I did not work Friday as there were no jobs on Aseop.

    What happened to the 50 jobs averaging on Friday?

    They must be making regular Teachers cover all that.

    The Subs are there, waiting for the job to pop up on Aseop.
     
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  11. jadorelafrance

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    Very rarely if ever at my high school. I have productivity periods that can be used for covering classes (in the event a colleague is late to school or has to leave a period early for various reasons or there's an emergency, but I haven't been asked yet this year. We pay our subs well and have no shortage.
     
  12. czacza

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    In my district it wouldn't be cheaper to have teachers cover sub slots. We get paid a portion of OUR salary, not a portion of the sub's pay, for covering a missed prep.
     
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    In my district it's definitely a lack of subs. We have a severe sub shortage. For one, we're getting into a regular teacher shortage in my area and their simply aren't that many certified people who have to sub instead anymore, not like in the past where there would be a lot of people unable to find full time jobs and subbing to get their foot in the door instead. We also don't pay subs that much (which yes, I disagree with, but on the other hand we really have no money for anything anymore), and I work in a low SES district that has a lot of severe behavior problems. I could see where it wouldn't be worth it for subs to come in and put up with that for so little money. Teachers who cover for missing subs get paid extra, so there is no money saved by not having one.
     
  14. tiffbabey

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    We have a shortage of subs as well. We pay very little and are also low SES district. But I don't get paid extra to sub, and I don't even really get asked, just told. Also EL teacher never have to sub, if it was more even I wouldn't have such an issue but to me it just feels like the principal has no respect for my job.
     
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    I am a Special Education co-teacher/Inclusion teacher. I feel that I am always asked more than anyone else and I also wanted to know if this is "usual". Yes, there are times maybe i'm not needed in my classroom but I do feel it is excessive as well. Sometimes i'm not sure if its to see if I'd be a better "fit" somewhere else, it's strange to me...
     
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    Teachers at my school are pulled to sub with some regularity. In our case it is because there aren't enough subs. Last week one day there were 8 teachers out without subs, which is around 50 class periods that needed to be covered. The office first asks teachers to cover during their prep periods, and those teachers will get paid for losing their preps. If that's not enough coverage, then the office will ask the sped teachers to cover during periods when they would normally be co-teaching in another teacher's classroom. If that's not enough coverage, then the office will ask the teacher-librarian to cover classes, often two or three at a time.
     
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    Once in the 3 years I have been working here. I got like $50 extra, so that was nice. We have teachers that volunteer to be called first whenever period subs are needed (I am not one of them) this is why I was asked only once -- I was ASKED, pretty sure they would have asked someone else has I declined.
     
  18. mckbearcat48

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    We don't have subs. So 3-4 times a week.
     
  19. mathmagic

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    Sped is never pulled in our school, as the minutes are technically legally required.

    Instead, it's on a rotational basis with our specialists, counselor, and instructional support (i.e. tier 2) person.
     
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    My district is dirt poor, we don't have any budget for subs, everybody is required to sub, even for APs.
     
  21. whizkid

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    I always think certain things only go on in my school district until I read comments like these. Subs won't even show up here and everyone else has to fill in the gaps daily.
     

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